Compare/Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B vs Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct

Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70BvsQwen3 VL 8B Instruct

Side-by-side comparison of pricing, 12 benchmarks, and generation speed.

Nous Research

Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B

Input
$0.7/M
Output
$0.7/M
Speed
34 tok/s
TTFT
1.97s
Alibaba

Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct

Input
$0.18/M
Output
$0.7/M
Speed
107 tok/s
TTFT
2.26s

Winner by Category

Cheaper
Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct
Faster (tok/s)
Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct
Lower Latency
Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B
Benchmarks (0-1)
Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct

Pricing Comparison

MetricHermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70BQwen3 VL 8B Instruct
Input ($/M tokens)$0.7$0.18
Output ($/M tokens)$0.7$0.7
Cost for 1M input + 100K output tokens:
Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B$0.77
Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct$0.25

Speed Comparison

Output Speed (tokens/s) — higher is better
Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B
34 tok/s
Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct
107 tok/s
Time to First Token (seconds) — lower is better
Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B
1.97s
Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct
2.26s

Editorial Analysis

Verdict. Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct takes the aggregate benchmark matchup 1–0 across 1 categories. Real workloads usually care about a handful of specific tasks — see the per-benchmark table above.

Pricing. Both models sit in the budget bracket for output-token pricing. At 1.0× the per-million-token cost, Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct is meaningfully cheaper if your traffic is output-heavy (long completions, document generation, agent loops). Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct makes more sense when output volume is low and absolute reasoning quality justifies the premium.

Strengths. Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B is strongest on Intelligence Index (4.8). Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct leads on Intelligence Index (8.2).

Speed. On throughput, Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct generates tokens at 107 tok/s versus 34 tok/s — about 68% faster. On time-to-first-token, Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B responds in 1970ms vs 2260ms, which matters most for chat-style UIs.

Provider. Nous Research and Alibaba sell to overlapping but distinct developer audiences: Nous Research tends to ship frontier reasoning models with premium positioning, while Alibaba often prices more aggressively. Your existing vendor relationships, billing, and SLA preferences may matter as much as the raw numbers above.

Workload cost. Workload scenarios (per million requests at 30M input + 15M output tokens): Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B costs $31.50 ($378/year); Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct costs $15.90 ($191/year). At a smaller 5M-input/2M-output scale (single-developer tool or prototype): Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B ≈ $4.90/run, Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct ≈ $2.30/run. At agent/realtime scale (200M input / 100M output per million requests): Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B ≈ $210/run, Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct ≈ $106/run. Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct becomes more attractive at higher volume — the absolute per-token pricing difference compounds when you ship at scale.

Recommendation. Both models have legitimate use cases — the right answer depends on whether you are optimizing for benchmark ceiling, latency, or unit cost. Start with the cheaper / faster model, evaluate against your specific task, and only switch if the upgrade shows a meaningful lift.

Head-to-head deltas

  • On throughput, Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct is 3.15× faster (107 tok/s vs 34 tok/s). For streaming chat or real-time agents this alone often flips the recommendation.

Benchmark Comparison

Data from Artificial Analysis API — 12 benchmarks

Intelligence Index
4.88.2
Coding Index
Math Index
GPQA Diamond
MMLU-Pro
LiveCodeBench
AIME 2025
MATH-500
Humanity's Last Exam
SciCode
IFBench
TerminalBench
Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B0 wins
1 winsQwen3 VL 8B Instruct

Frequently Asked Questions

Which is cheaper, Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B or Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct?

Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct is cheaper overall. Its blended price (3:1 input/output ratio) is $0.31/M tokens vs $0.70/M for Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B.

Which model performs better on benchmarks?

Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct wins 1 out of 12 benchmarks compared to 0 for Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B. See the detailed benchmark chart above for per-category results.

Which is faster for real-time applications?

Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct generates tokens faster at 107 tok/s vs 34 tok/s. Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B also has lower time-to-first-token (1.97s vs 2.26s).

When should I use Hermes 3 - Llama-3.1 70B vs Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct?

Choose based on your priorities: Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct for lower cost, Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct for stronger benchmark performance, and Qwen3 VL 8B Instruct for faster generation. For latency-sensitive apps, check the TTFT comparison above.